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Their corporations prosper by keeping their selling costs low by passing the burden of those expenses onto their reps. A goldmine is far more than a hole into a mountain. Still they are mad about sites like BehindMLM that actually do this work for them just for free. An Illegal Pyramid Scheme? It was called motor club of america.

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Keep being awesome and bringing such insightful dialogue to the conversation. No matter what people say, you are a winner. Some of the people in the MLMs that are collapsing move on, but not necessarily all of them. I think you need to review the cop logic. Fighting MLM, like fighting crime, is not an all-or-nothing proposition. Then there is the Education thing…. Who are you attempting to educate? What is your passive aggressive somewhat obscure motive in all this? Maybe because you just like to say things and see yourself talk a lot?

Just thought I would educate you a little bit, one educator to another. Let me try it……. I really admire being able to know all those capitalistic things like that. And how can I forget, the comment that started it all…. I only relish the discourse we are having. But since you appear to be wandering around a bit I thought I would join you on the walk. I explained my connection already, I print things for them all or try to, home skillet. I probably make more money off the products then the people who sell them, like the website owner does.

My reason for engaging here is morbid curiosity. I was doing research for a meeting and stumbled over here. The only other place you find such determination to convince others they are right is on religion sites.

Oh Capitalist, your words…they wound me. Whatever will I do, having been judged and found lacking by a disgusting piece of sub-human gutter trash? Guys with passion and no money making an impact.

You quickly moved on from the fraud discussion when you were presented with it. I thought we established that I am making a big impactimpact at least by the best tools we have to measure. The Invisible Children is a much larger organization of people fighting a group that has considerably few supporters and I think considerably less than billion a year in revenue.

Their cause was a lot more localized. There are probably several more reasons why it is a ridiculous comparison. I liked your original economic thought as it was slightly unique, but it was easy to blow out of the water. I have been drinking the juice for 7 years.. You may look at my more recent review of the NutriBullet and see that I put fruit in a blender too.

You ask where again the problem is. Invisible Children started with nothing more than a video camera and a cause. When they started, they had 3 dudes who were college students. I would argue that what they did is harder than taking Monavie to court. I have no problems with the scholarship and point of your writings, I have said multiple times that the majority of American industry is simply semi fraudulently persuading people to purchase their products. Lexus has ads that promise you a better life if you buy their cars.

Almost all marketing in this case including multi level is based on an unsubstantiated or barely substantiated promise of a better life. You have basically proven that Mona Vie is just another company amongst many. Why pick them out? When I ask myself, why would a guy spend so much time focusing on a few companies? The answer is that they are easy targets for you to make some money off of.

You have done a great job creating a group of followers, who then go tell their friends to come back and read. The more unique users and readers, the more American Express pays you to advertise. It sounds like you and I would have a good time discussing this over a beer and would probably have a much more meaningful conversation than can be had over the internet. You will never convince me that you are doing all you can to bring these companies to their knees and I will never convince you that this is all quite silly and not accomplishing much.

You may now have the last word as I have clearly lost this argument, but what did you win? Regardless of how convincing you may be logically. We celebrate the lives of people who make real change to real problems and do whatever it takes.

That will never be me. It will never be you. We both lack conviction and desire. Your view of the size of the problem and your conviction to change that problem are indicated by the length you will go to end it. It IS however, a good way to get followers and make money, so press on, brother, towards your capitalistic end! MLM is an entire ball of wax.

You have MLM companies giving politicians money to influence decisions in their favor. I never made an acknowledged that there is a better way to challenge the industry. They have two attorneys right there. As for the time I spend focusing on a few companies? I simply engage in the discussion as I do with all my articles. During that time a lot of information about how the company and its distributors are defrauding people have come to the forefront.

I wish you the best of luck. Let me know how it goes for you. What they get is people like Pat, who a few comments above tried to say that Harvard teaches MLM… a confirmed falsehood that has been repeated for nearly 30 years now. Some form of consumer protection exists in just about every civilized country.

Otherwise, perhaps you should embrace it. Maybe that makes it easier for you whose ambition seems to boil down to printing labels or some such. His logic is inconsistent with capitalism, which basically dictates that the fittest survive. If a company like Monavie is so vulnerable to criticism that they can be killed by it, then the company deserves to die.

The law of the jungle is harsh. What capitalist is arguing for instead is protectionism or stronger unions or something along those lines, where the jobs of bottlers and packagers are protected even though the company that pays them is unfit to compete in the marketplace. Not surprising coming from a Monavie shill. You sound like a fine young gentleman with lots of friends.

You totally nailed me. Congratulations on your fine win. Since you are such a winner with lots of friends…. I have a great business opportunity for you to make lots of money and be healthy!

I cannot prove that it will ever work, but I do know that you will likely lose all your friends pursuing this dream. All i see are a lot of wild fruits… i say wild because many of them are not farmed?

The lack of water in the label has been covered in these comments in the past. The point is that there is indeed water whether the label says it or not. No one is debating this to my knowledge. Are you going to argue with the court documents or the newspaper that I cited in the article about it?

You know that the fruits are indeed farmed, right? If you really want to understand why it seems to work so well for so many people, you need to understand the same is true for MLM health products that contain none of these fruits like ASEA and Protandim.

Since you are such a winner with lots of friends. To that, you reply back with this silly example of sarcastic love bombing. If you were a true capitalist, and supported free markets etc. What better way to antagnonize an opposing viewpoint than to enter its realm and divide its sheep by posing as freindly fire. Or, you are one of those libra types that takes great pride in badgering the establishment just to amuse and bemuse. If under the age of 40 and from pretty much any colledge you probably suffer a serious taint problem.

You are clear and articulate though…. I suspect you know full well that what you do and say is subterfuge regardless of your age or education. If you are inclined to think otherwise I guess we keep having these chats as long as you are up for it. I accept it, use it for mixer. My super favorite is the Active Absinthe Monkey Gland.. So do I win a prize too? I am creative and funny and garsh darn it people know me. Or do I get discarded as a school yard dolt …? Vogel, As a rule of thumb, nobody who resorts to name calling is serious about engaging in a debate.

You have called me an idiotic shill and a dick. The debate you seek will not happen here. You clearly have me figured out already. You are the winner because you are a winner in general. Use your eyes, not your thumb.

I have already established the seriousness of my interest in debating this subject through my many past contributions to date. Basically, being — a dick. My grandfather has always had bad cholesterol and blood pressure since he had a doctors app last week after taking Monavie for around 5 months. He stopped taking his cholesterol and blood pressure meds half way through.

We both had positive health benefits from it, just entirely different ones. He got great sleep again, had more energy and it cleared his chronic sinus issues. I am lactose intolerant and seem to suffer from an over stimulated bowel.

This product helped my digestive issues and made me the most regular I had been in years. We were both very pleased with our results. Also, it was interesting that it effected us both so differently. Honestly I feel sorry for you. So you know my life better than me? Keep in mind, I wrote an article detailing my connection MonaVie here: This juice will probably make it so my children in the near future will be able to meet their great grandfather.

Ya just read it and you obviously changed your mind since then my grandfather is benefiting from it so it is good enough for me everyone has their own opinion.

I only have my aunt under me and I am just in it for the energy drinks they are cheaper and healthier than buying a monster a day. So there you go, the inventor of the product is calling your claim bogus. Surely, you trust him. Feel free to come back and fill us in on your conversation with the inventor. I highly doubt that you will. Whatever it is, Monavie is a good product. I have witnessed it and I have tried it.

It does not matter what kind of negative research you have don e on Monavie, one way or the other, Monavie has a lot of health benefits and I have seen people overcome some of their long term illness by drinking Monavie. Lazy Man, from what I have read about your comments, you seems to be very vengeful and full of hatred for Monavie. There are so many MLM health drink based companies around, why target Monavie? If you read the beginning of the article they pitched the product to my wife who told me about it.

I have no motivation for revenge, never paid them a single dollar. Dana Wong, Jesse Willms, had a close connection and for much of the time was not afraid to use her own name. I will say that I highly doubt the email address Wong left is accurate. Nobody says that MonaVie cure cancer! You are just lazy twat Jealous about people who work hard to succeed in this busines. Monavie is really working!!

Oh how quickly we forget MonaVie distributors putting fake oncologists in scrubs and pitching the product as a treatment for cancer: But, it might be a good idea to do a little research of your own to see if there is an equal or better solution for far less money.

A large store chain has a supply for the same type of product. Here is where UseLogic comes into play. The first couple questions I give anyone when looking at these types of set ups and scenarios. Because, that is the only way these other people get paid while the person that sold product way down at the bottom. Are you getting what you paid for?

Or, are you over paying for a product or service that is comparable by other mfrs? In relation to the product being discussed here, how could you grow that much Acai that fast with out it being farmed? One way would be to have minor amount as the ingredient, while diverting from that fact by listing all the other ingredients. Lot of which is not foreign to us in the US. Which leads me back to a question. Are you getting what you are paying for?

I just learned that Niles was released from prison in November after a Florida Appeals Court upheld, on a technicality, his appeal of a previous conviction for molestation of a minor. The docket also mentions that Rainey had previously represented the father of the two girls that Niles molested.

One remarkable detail that I stumbled on while reading the latest appeal docket was that it mentioned the following in reference to the criminal act:. This is remarkably similar to the modus operandi in the crime that Niles was convicted for while serving in the California National Guard.

The appeals docket for that case states:. According to OF, appellant claimed that her clothes were inhibiting the benefit of the massage, and he began removing them, despite her protests. I joined Monavie and left them after one month. The juice they sell goes off very quickly with green slimey bits floating about in it.

I complained to Monavie about this and there reply was make sure I keep the drink the fridge, which I was doing. Three bottles of the juice went rotten with these horrible green slimey bits in it.

I was ashamed when I poured out this juice to a potential customer which Monavie like to call prospects. The top salesmen in this company use language that you will find in books on Neuro linguistic programming, this language is used to make people believe in the product.

On the training courses that Monavie do they explain to you that you must never mention Monavie without giving a compliment to the potential customer first. This flattering and boosting up of the persons ego is to trick the potential customer into believing that they are dealing with an honest person.

Its the use of language to build trust. Manipulation of the potential customer. Paul McKenna the hypnotist would love these guys. For God Sake, Stop selling this products, it contains sodium benzoate and vitamin C and is carcinogenic. My mom got stage 1 breast cancer and went to surgery, Doctor said she is now cancer free. I bought this Monavie for her to drink then a few months later her condition worsen. For God Sake, stop selling this products and stop claiming it cures cancer because it contain acai berry.

Bear in mind Sodium Benzoate is dangerous to human health. Monavie is way over priced and people who have no idea how an mlm company works, gets sucked in to try the juice, which for the price lol you can go to a lot of places and purchase better juice for a lot cheaper, when they join all hyped, they then realize to even be able to keep commissions you have to be on autoship, when they hear no after no doing the boring old outdated methods they soon realize it is hard that way for the price of the juice.

Who really wants to carry around party cups and bottles of Monavie lol.. If someone asked me, I would literally laugh and tell them there is a better way of marketing, it looks desperate to me and they have to stop you to try their juice.

I am not saying this way does not work, everyone has their own way. But in all honesty, there are better home based businesses out there that are more affordable and easier to market, and there are home business that can make you a lot of money without even recruiting one person into the business.

I wish anyone who has started with Monavie the best of luck, but it is not for me. And I agree with the above comments too. Seems the founders were ready to get out of there.

The management team they have in place seems clueless. This new mynt thing is a total joke. I enjoyed reading your valuable info which I too hope will help educate the public about MLM schemes. I have a friend who was involved in Mona vie and has since dropped off that wagon and jumped unto the next, ASEA.

I hope that she will see that there is no light at the end of that tunnel either. People are signing up for commitments of over zl per month in a country where that is a half of their salary outside of Warsaw where there are rich people. Please please get a translation into Polish! The products are supposed to be healthy yet the first one I looked is shampoo that has Sodium Benzoate and yet it claims: My sick father had used Acai juice called zadly which stronger than monavie the results were great: Multi-level marketing is perfectly legit and something Forbes writes about as a lucrative option for a home-based business, where money is exchanged for goods or services.

Or the personal products you use on your face, skin and even toothpaste. There are 11 chemicals that the FDA bans from these products and there are over 80, being used. Actually if you research pyramid schemes, you know that goods and services can be exchanged. They convinced the judicial system to shut them down.

If the money you make is based on your sales to the public, it may be a legitimate multilevel marketing plan. It is like interviewing those who won the lottery to determine if buying lottery tickets are a viable investment opportunity — it is not.

There are enough people arguing about Monsanto. I like the website The Good Human who has done that. My opinion is protected speech by the first amendment. You need to get bitch-slapped.

There are statues of critics: If you have any recommendations for energy besides coffee let me know. You can get caffeine many places fairly cheaply. Caffeine is outside the topic of this post.

I highly recommend the book. The book points out that some research suggests energy may be more mental than physical. Thank you for the book recommendation though ordered it with my amazon points. There are some nuts out there who lean on one side or the other and will slam me whatever side I went to. Cheap caffeine pills make sure you know how much you are taking is one very cheap option that is not coffee.

You can read about it here: Now With Less Energy? The articles are a little old and the links may or may not work, but the points are still relevant. I would have worked more of the energy drink and weight loss formulas into this article, but it was already long and I think made things fairly clear. MonaVie has recently created the Mynt program to target young adults and students and sell them energy drinks.

They are copying the Vemma Verge scam that Today Show covered here. The companies realize that students will overpay a buck or two per drink and recruit others, which is profitable for them. As Harpers magazine wrote here: Sorry, that was long. I was just in Monavie to try and make some extra money in a way and I went toward the energy drinks because I figured they were better for you in some way than traditional energy drinks. Also did the math and it was cheaper for me to buy two cases of their energy drinks than to buy 1 monster a day like I used to.

Now I just buy Arizona green tea since it is healthier at least I think it is than trying to drink energy drinks or colas. Save Money on Energy Drinks and Caffeine. Just add it to water. If you go with the caffeine pill route, you can get costs down to just a couple of dollars without additives of any kind.

I get arizona 1 dollar for a big can of it well 1. Which really is better than monster here which was 2. I was big on the taste of monster I've seen dollar stores sell full throttle which aren't healthy but taste decent.

The only thing I was concerned about was the sugar. Some of them have a ton. Another good substitute is rock sugar or honey. I normally look out for the sales on teavana since I prefer loose leaf teas. Well, since the MonaVie distributors seem to concede defeat in the discussion, might as well help people with legitimate at least somewhat related questions.

That makes me chuckle…. I think most of the new comments are going there. This is really amazing stuff. For years he was the one defending MonaVie when people pointed out the obvious problems in the scam. The company is practically nonexistent: Yep, he joined Forever Green. The company makes Xpress Strips that appear to be a heating pack. Looks like Jeunesse will be making the big announcement today that they have purchased the rights to MonaVie.

What an ugly Google Trends it has been on for the last several years: It sounds like they are already starting the PR campaign about the march of sales up to a billion dollars. Yet nothing has materially changed other than the adding of two companies in steep decline.

Why is it that every time Larsen drags his wife onto the stage she looks like a Stepford wife — a nodding bobble-head marionette.

And WTF is up with that haircut??? Was she paying tribute to the cum-in-the-hair scene from Something About Mary? Larsen the con artist fleeced people out of millions of dollars with a scam that was knowingly predicated on pure BS from day one. What a F-ing creep! I long for the day that we hear news of Mr. Larceny receiving a long overdue prison sentence. Monavie is a miracle juice!

My friends Dad had stage 4 liver cancer ,my friend heard about monavie ordered some for him and he has no sign of cancer. Praise God for this healing juice! It became already clear to me that monavie was questionable the minute when I saw refridgerated acai berry juice in the supermarkets. I do not care what you say about Monavie.

Who cares if they want to make money. I love the product and am thankful it is offered to help those who have health issues like me. Oh well looks like Lazy and his henchfolk will need to find a new teat to suckle on. Far from a hater, he still LOLs at 3-way calls and building "downlines". If you like Monday morning conversations with your kids by the pool, you might like this. Herbalife could be most famous network marketing company.

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Products There are seven different water filtration models to choose from. Here is the quick run down from high to low with the prices provided: Here are some pros about Enagic: Here are some cons about Enagic: Recap If you are looking into starting your own home-based business, I would not recommend getting involved with Enagic USA. What you really have to ask yourself when you are thinking about starting your own home-based business is this: Is this something I feel comfortable about doing?

Is there a big enough market out there for me to succeed? What is it I am trying to achieve, in the sense of goals? You may also like Meet the Author JP. Herbalife could be most famous network marketing company Next: If you actually sit down and read the independent reviews of their products and comparisons to other well known, and not so well known brands they never come off by well.

This in turn creates a repeat customer to a very expensive overpriced product same way a drug dealer hooks a new customer. Do yourselves a favour and read the complete guide to sports nutrition by Anita Bean if you want sound advice on diet and nutrition. This goes on in this process time as there are at least 5 levels in the Herbalife pyramid scheme.

Or you could do the sensible thing and simply do a little reading. Ask someone with a nutrition qualification and actually learn how to eat a healthy balanced nutritious and varied diet. I have a BSc hons in sports therapy, level 4 in lower back pain, been involved in sport and the body since collage till now. Got to be some worth to them. The business can and only work if you have ALOT of people under you. It took a guy 18 years to get to chairman club k a month and at the rate this company if expanding, i dont think there will be enough people to grab and sign up.

End of the day its personal option on this company. It has just hit me that you have the gift of the gab to sell this and I am slowly backing out as i want to kick my sports therapy currier rolling. Many people who who take Herbalife supplements have claimed to feel restless and nervous, along with experiencing the jitters and anxiety.

Herbalife products, when analyzed, were found to contain high levels of lead. The amounts found in Herbalife products were above what the laws allows and were deemed toxic. These artificial claims included helping to treat many diseases, getting rid of tumors, increasing circulation, improving alertness and improving overall health.

Many users of Herbalife have filed lawsuits and complaints about side effects they experienced when using the products. Headaches, constipation, diarrhea, lightheadedness, nausea, and stomach upset are some reported side effects.

Ephedra, a main ingredient in Herbalife, has been known to cause psychosis, tremors, kidney stones, high blood pressure, sweats, rapid heartbeat, and damage to the heart and other organs. It has been linked to strokes, seizures and death. Also know that Herbalife can have side effects. Cascara sagrada can have side other effects such as cramps and abdominal discomfort, notes George T.

Cascara sagrada increases risk for low levels of potassium in your blood, a condition called hypokalemia, when taken with me dicines like cortisone and chlorothiaxide.

If you have a gastrointestinal disease, it also can worsen your condition. The senna leaves in Herbalife can cause vomiting, nausea, flatulence, irregular heartbeat and kidney damage along with cramping and diarrhe a. Ingesting senna with drugs such as estradiol can decrease your blood levels of estrogen. Senna can trigger or worsen electrolyte imbalance, dehydration, gastrointestinal problems and heart ailments, note Grossberg and Fox.

Some Herbalife formulations have unknown amounts of uva ursi, says Deborah R. Thus, you should take products with this herb only for five days at a time, no more than five times a year, advise the experts at UMMC. It also can lead to insomnia, irritability, vomiting and nausea.

You should not take products with uva ursi in them if you have high blood pressure, are pregnant, have a kidney or liver ailment, suffer an ulcer or have digestive problems, according to UMMC. To all wise people and so called health nutirition expert explain how this product is to be taken without a proper doctors care???

Should this product really be in market as it is??? After reading the whole discussion, your summary is the most useful answer for me. I only want to know what are the issues with this product. Is it really a cheap low grade protein like Mike said. If so, is there a better meal replacement product? I agree those distributors are not very professional and only give positive advice. Not everyone likes or have time to go to gym three times a week. If there may be an easier way, why not take it.

I guess Hebalife may not suit for me since I do have some stomach issues and I will check with my GP first. For the same reason, I still need find a OK meal replacement since most oil food will upset my tummy. And eat boil food all time is not fun. Hi you will be better off going to a Nutritionist in your area to fully advise you on the best course for you, find one that specialises in food allergies — Herbalife is a low grade cheap protein product and sold at a very high premium and sold by mostly people who have no qualifications in nutrition and diet to be able to advise safely.

I have read countless books, studies and articles. But, even i can tell people who support this programme are deluded. Not eating a meal for breakfast and for lunch for an entire year, like Caleb.

You must be plouging hundreds and hundreds into the company for these shakes and things. You can do this by simply eating fresh foods like lean meats and fish and lots of vegetables. No need to buy gimmicky shakes and things. Just simple, healthy living.

And if you want to lose more weight, then simply go on a diet as herbalife is to implement a calorie defecit in your daily amounts to achieve weight loss! People do need to have more education about these things as these things are driven solely by advertisments and sales tactics. Hi, Just wanted to add my opinion. I joined a herbalife sliming club called limelite.

Well here is how it went. Each of the twelve weeks we were introduced to a different herbalife product and made to watch videos from America telling us how fantastic the product was.

At the end of each session the items were hugely pushed onto us. I did relent and buy a couple of the shakes, tablets, creams and energy bars. The only support i got was a phone call when the distributor worked out that our products should be running low trying to encourage me to buy more. The fit club was doing an exercise video in a small cramped shed with about 10 of the other ladies. I did lose a stone but that was due to extra exercise i was doing myself.

I would be really interested to hear how much the actual cost is to make the products…I have also since found out that the fantastic photos i was shown at the initial meeting were misleading, The distributor lost 4 stones through healthy eating and diet then started selling herbalife 2 years later but told her customers that she did it through herbalife.

When i started the group there was 23 ladies. At the end of the 12 weeks there was only 6 of us left…. Healthy eating and exercise is the only real way to lose weight and tone up, we are programmed to eat, chew, etc so drinking my meals just did not do for me. My wife asked me if her dress made her look fat, I said no, its your ass and belly that does that!

Sensible eating, sensible exercising is all that is needed to loose weight and maybe just a tad of will power…simples.

It concerns me that Reps of this product target new mums,playgroups and even breast feeding mums concerned about baby weight. Why pay to drink milkshakes and loose the joy of eating???? Oh and for the record — Mike I am in awe of your amazing achievements you are not Mr Average in any way at all so please do preach to us mere mortals!

Very interesting to see both sides of the debate here. Clearly science is not with herbalife, though outstanding marketing is. I will stick to keeping one eye on what I eat, and the other on my hrm. Saying that though that Adidas-cannabis type looking logo of theirs is so very appealing…. Eat healthly and exercise is the only way to lose weight and keep it off. People only gain weight if they eat crap and laze about.

Wake up to reality people. I need to lose about a stone, and having seen how much weight a friend has lost on Herbalife, I thought I might give it a go. That is, until I read all of these comments!! It has given me the wake-up call that I needed-weight loss will only come about effectively with a healthy diet and exercise.

Yeah, I could lose that stone with the shakes, but how long would that weight stay off? Yes, we are seeing an increase in obesity and companies like Herbalife may claim they are trying to counter this, but surely what society needs is education about health and well being, and making healthy food like fruit and vegetables more affordable for those on lower incomes?

Was looking into buying herbalife as im a fussy eater and thought it would be a replacement of eating a Healthy meal, exercise is not a problem! I know nothing about Healthy eating or this product except from what i have Read.. Is it the best thing for me for quick results? No diet is long term good for anyone, Fussy eaters do have a problem when it comes to eating healthy, but you just have to look a little more creative and take a look at other options from real food… Maybe worth getting in touch with a local qualified nutritionist that can sit down with you face to face and plan with you.

Hi i am really impressed with blog. Could say it the best i have read in my internet blog reading. And make i think you are right about a a lot of what you said about herbal life. I have used it for nutrition back i. My iron and vitaminD levels also improved since i was born in tropical african country living in another climate reduces our vitamin D levels. Again i tried few month ago. I am breas feeding and i felt lost of sleep and milk reduction so i stopped it.

So as i alive in Australia which is different to where i grow up where everything was natural and organic what is your advice for proteins and vitamins. Your best bet is to find a local nutritionist to you where you can see face to face, everyone is diferent and general advice isnt always the best advice, so best to see a local expert face to face to get all the info you need.

Do you mind if I quote a couple of your posts as long as I provide credit and sources back to your webpage? My website is in the very same area of interest as yours and my visitors would definitely benefit from some of the information you present here. Please let me know if this alright with you. I would just like to add as an allergy sufferer I had a huge reaction to the free from shake…im allergic to grains, Corn is a big one for me and the fructose in these shakes is in fact high fructose corn syrup!!

How they get away with calling it a healthy meal replacement is beyond me!! This has just convinced me, to never touch these products. You might as well be selling class A drugs. Mike you are really intelligent and a guy like you would surely be able to set up personal nutrition programmes for anyone. Give me food anyday! Have you seen a food label on herbalife?

Soy and fructose and syrup -great??!?! Thanks for this Mike You really have helped me make a decision when it comes to herbalife! Out of curiosity do you have the same opinion on the forever living products for example the clean 9 detox? I was researching both forever living and herbalife before coming across this article and to be honest i dont think Id like to try either now but would like to hear your opinion on forever living products.

Thanks so much mike! Hi there, yes my opinion stands with all these companies that have unqualified people selling a weight loss programme… Its like getting an unqualified person coming in and fixing your boiler, you wouldnt do it.

I,m was due to start herbalife tomorrow but after reading these comments I,m going to eat less and move more that seems to be the answer. Thank you for posting this site. I googled and researched everything I could about the products met up with soo many different people selling it and they all sound like robots. They seem to have it fixed within in their brain to tell me how amazing it is. Being a poor student at one point I wanting to join avon as a quick money solution. Hi Mike, just read this blog after googling herbalife and I have to say wow wow wow.

I started herbalife 5 days ago to help me lose about two stones. The first day I felt extremely lightheaded and the same on the second day it has not stopped. I totally agree with you Mike. Overeating is a choice.

I know 8 of them, none of them are trained. All are in it for the money and not to help the individuals. They are just good sales people, that can talk the talk without walking the walk, that is all. A good PT will always work with the whole person long term, not short term. It comes back to Education!

I think we all really know that a healthy diet and exercise is the requirement for safe weight loss. We look for a quick fix and a prescribed program instead of taking control and thinking for ourselves as this also takes less effort! Reading this blog has made me realise this about myself so thanks mike. Although this was not what i expected you have done me a favour today.

I think i will spend my money more wisely and take control by motivating myself and putting some effort in! As women are prone to Osteoporosis, it is further dangerous to them as they are losing valuable nutrients beneficial to them in menopause. Do they not understand that this is real peoples long term health they are playing with? In our industry we are here to help people, not hinder their long term health. A very interesting debate.

I stopped ballroom and Latin dancing a year ago and my body gained a bit of weight, i firmly believe in exercise and eating right to weight loss.

All i wanted to find out is if these products contain MSG and sadly they do. Thank you Mike, had it not been for this blog i would not have the knowledge i have now. I looked at herbalife but thought I would try something different. I ate a mars bar for breakfast and then a snickers for lunch. I then had my normal meal at dinner. Amazingly I lost 10 pounds in 2 months. A factual based debate where the real hero shines through………sensible eating, exercise, lifestyle ,,,,oh and Mike!!

In our area we are being bombarded from all angles by the Herbalife band wagon that dietary wise has the same ethos as slim fast!

As for the business model im afraid I see it as cult marketing! Behind all these too good to be true Herbalife and Arriba claims, is one of those mind-bending American cults like Scientology. I found your comments very interesting and informative. It makes me wonder though, what hard sell has brainwashed her into deceiving others? Whenever I question her about the company and about pyramid selling, she gets really defensive.

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